I have 2nd grade twins who have been using Rightstart B this year. The performance of students who have studied math the Singapore way is impressive. Starting in third or fourth grade, I think the textbook is perfectly sufficient for most kids. With the Singapore method, each math problem is part of a growing framework of knowledge and students are able to put what they are learning into context. I think mixing in some basic review with Beast Academy would work just fine, and it would probably give your boys a great mix of deep thinking and rote practice. Now, there is no perfect math curriculum, and Singapore does have its weaknesses. […] In Hillsdale-affilated classical schools, we recommend Singapore math. Singapore and Saxon math are very different options. Both the older are good students and do well in public school. I hate to purchase C only for a few lessons. Math is a real-life tool that points us to God and helps us explore His creation, yet it often comes across as dry facts and meaningless rules. That said, hands-on manipulatives are much more important at the lower levels when kids still think very concretely. Accuracy is good, but speed has been severely lacking, which makes multi-digit multiplication (we’re close to the last quarter of Level D) quite time-consuming, even if it can be done accurately. Would love to hear your take on Miquon Math (uses cuisenaire rods). So, do your research, think through your options, and trust yourself that you’re able to make a good decision. We’re at 6 seconds per fact in addition, 8.6 seconds for subtraction, and a whopping 20 seconds for multiplication. Singapore is a great program overall, but this is definitely one of its weaknesses. When you first introduce the book to your child, spend a little time looking over the book together and discussing how the book is organized. The main thing it adds is tips on how to demonstrate the concepts with hands-on manipulatives, which of course a textbook can’t do. Classical Education Tips for First-Time Homeschooling Parents, How Bar Modeling Makes Word Problems Easy in Singapore Math. From Singapore, I learned more about the ins and outs of complex word problems. Help! Make sure to consider how much time and effort you’re investing in teaching well, and how hard your child is working to understand and practice the math. Melissa. I was hoping you can give me your opinion on the following. Either of those would be a great next book after RightStart C. The best way to check for gaps to have your son take the placement test for whichever program you choose later this spring. And finally, regarding the number bonds. Math Mammoth sounds like it might be a great fit for your daughter. Sounds like a perfect mix for your kiddo, Melissa! Beginning with objects and pictures rather than mathematical symbols means that students will understand what they’re really doing when solving a problem, rather than simply copying a process over and over. Even though Singapore does have periodic reviews, we recommend that teachers spread those out into their lessons so that the teachers aren’t committing too much class time to working through the review sections. Switching curriculum has a learning curve for both the parent and child. It’s not possible to understand the concept of multiplication until you understand addition, for example. Ascent Classical Academy of Douglas County, Pineapple Cove Classical Academy of Palm Bay, Pineapple Cove Classical Academy of West Melbourne, Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS), Quick Tips for Classical Education at Home: Math – The Classical Classroom, How Bar Modeling Makes Word Problems Easy in Singapore Math – The Classical Classroom, Treating Students with Respect: Jordan Adams’s Remarks at the White House Conference on American History. I feel like I’ve let my kids down in this area of learning and wish I could go back in time to when they were young and make more time for their learning but here we are doing it late, better late than never but a bit lost where to start. Since pulling her out of a waldorf program in 5th grade we have struggled with math. If you have an 8th grader coming out of 6A/6B successfully, I’d suggest doing Principles of Mathematics Book 2 next. Read the introductory materials to become familiar with the philosophy of the program, and preview the first unit to understand the objectives and lesson formats. My 7 year old daughter has completed rightstart A and B. She’s older for her grade and did very well with these. I’m leaning towards the Singapore math programs. I am not sure that Beast Academy is a good fit for her, although she read all of older brother’s guide books for fun. My son’s private school switched several years ago from Saxon, which was also very good, to Math In Focus. Just because you’ve used a certain math curriculum in the past doesn’t mean you have to stick with it forever. Will Saxon math fit this criteria? I know part of this is learning perseverance, but I wonder if the curriculum just doesn’t click with him. The creators of Singapore math have thought through the order in which each mathematical concept should be introduced. Principles of Mathematics Book 2 provides a good transition from Singapore Math 6A/6B to high school Algebra 1. . I prefer not to buy another curriculum too! (Either for your child or you!). I’m considering Mcruffy Math, horizons, MM or CLE, Singapore. Laura in CT, who used Saxon before switching to Singapore Math®, commented, "Singapore requires more thinking than Saxon, but the result is that my daughter is understanding more. I also recommend keeping up with the mental math exercises in the back of the HIG–these are very valuable and add a lot to the program. Saxon math, developed by John Saxon, is a teaching method for incremental learning of mathematics. Tagged: kindergarten, math. Saxon is the classic drill and kill - the worksheets are very repetitive, doing the same thing over and over. In this article, I’ll help you weigh the pros and cons of switching math programs and show you how to make your curriculum switch a success. From what I can tell, 3A Primary Mathematics is what would be covered in 2B-D Beast Academy. Happy math! For example, number bonds are emphasized as an important tool in a greater number of lessons. I am leaning toward math mammoth for the switch. We’ve been doing three days BA, 2 PM one week, and the reverse for the next. Any opinions on Saxon math vs. Singapore math? My oldest son did level 3 Beast Academy last year. Do you have any thoughts on me doing Beast Academy with them while supplementing with something else to get that mastery of the basics down? Then imagine taking the same problem to a student who already knows 6 times 4, 4 times 3, 3 times 4, and so on because he’s memorized his math facts. My oldest is finishing up first grade and my youngest will be starting k5 next year. They look very mathematical without being overwhelming, and like they’ll provide a good transition to learning math from a textbook. Do you know anything about this program and whether it’s worth a try or not? Within the larger curriculum of Singapore Math, Dimensions Math retains all of the same core traits, but includes several features that make teaching Singapore math easier on the teacher and student. We are just about to finish 1A and he is finishing up first grade. It will also help prevent him from completely hating math. He seemed to find great satisfaction in finishing the worksheets, but didn’t have a lot of patience for most of the suggested teaching tips at the bottom of the page. of English, Singapore Math Homeschool Math Comparison Review Saxon Math \u0026 Teaching Textbooks REVIEW \u0026 COMPARISON | Homeschool Our Page 5/13. In order to smooth out the transition between 2A and 3A, students are now introduced to basic bar models in 2A. The other criticism of Singapore math is that it doesn’t use “spiraling” as well as Saxon math, another curriculum popular in classical schools. You gave us great advice about Singapore Math, and we’ve loved it this year! Thanks! Thanks again. I think there’s probably a few tweaks you can make to help make Singapore a better fit for your son, though, without having to switch programs. Finally, switching curriculum has also helped me to learn more about how my son learns best. There are countless (ha!) Hi Kate, I so appreciate your advice and your blog – thank you! The only manipulatives you need for it are everyday household items. Thanks so much! Carrie, I think you’ll be just fine switching to Math Mammoth at this point. You can always have him do some of the page orally or enlarge them. Math-U-See is an excellent program and we adore their manipulatives; it just was a poor fit for my son. I read somewhere that it pairs well with Singapore math. We have used and not liked MUS. I was actually considering using Saxon 76, Singapore and Beast Academy (as fun) but I … My concern is that if we aren’t getting through either curriculum this year, that would make him fall behind. RightStart is definitely much more open-and-go than Singapore. This is the series put out by master books for junior high onward starting in grade 7. My daughter is now in grade 7 and I’m wondering what your recommendations are for pre-algebra and beyond. You’ve been using a more traditional math curriculum and would like to explore using a conceptual curriculum. My daughter LOVES the RightStart games, but she really misses the story aspect of Waldorf math..and she misses doing the other procedures (subtraction, multiplication, and division), because early level math facts are all taught together with Waldorf. The Well-Trained Mind is the guide that millions of parents trust to help them create the best possible education for their child. After the problem has been translated into a picture, the standard algorithms are introduced as the final stage in the process. If the mastery style of R&S works well for your son, switching to a curriculum that teaches in such bits and pieces may not be a good fit. There are also written assessments and some review embedded in the worksheets in the higher levels. To make the transition as smooth as possible, make sure you spend some time with the program before trying to teach your first lesson. So I am considering now switching to a more conceptual curriculum. Much of the reason that Saxon feels “dry” is that it incorporates huge amounts of review into the lessons. Saxon is definitely not a conceptual curriculum,. Mfle goes only to grade 6. If he’s doing well in arithmetic (adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing whole numbers and fractions) and if using the curriculum is going well, I’d be inclined to stick with it. Saxon- This traditional and beloved math curriculum is best for auditory learners and parents who need an easy to teach curriculum. We're homeschooling 'officially' this year; it will be her Kindergarten year chronologically but she's placing closer to 2nd & 3rd grade in various disciplines. I’m hoping you can help me with my dilemma for this year, and I apologize ahead of time for the rather lengthy post. I want him to have a good foundation and have it be fun as well. Thank you so much for this wonderful Web site! At the same time, spend 5-10 minutes per day on facts practice. Just because a child is struggling with math doesn’t mean that the curriculum is at fault. Kate, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. Math became a way of thinking for them, not a tiresome or repetitive exercise. If you go that route, definitely keep a close eye on your children’s progress and level of understanding. we tried Saxon but it was very difficult always trying to find more work because they only gave a few problems with that lesson and then suddenly jumped to another. Viewing 2 posts - 1 through 2 (of 2 … Now, Beast Academy provides interesting problems, builds his problem-solving perseverance, and feeds his curiosity about numbers. Why you liked/didn't like the book: Bob Jones was a welcome new start for us. It seems to be a bit intense but I’m really wanting to challenge them and raise strong learners. *We didn’t receive anything in return for recommending Singapore math. Any other tips on using Singapore without the HIG? Hope your daughter loves Beast, and happy math! I’m not confidant that she has yet developed a strong number sense. ), Some kids just process information a little more slowly than others, and your son may always need 5 seconds or so for the facts. Saxon Math: We started with Saxon 1st grade in Kindergarten for both Aidan and Gresham (I think that Saxon runs slightly behind). http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/585170-rightstart-tips-for-juggling-multiple-levels/, Math is causing tears. He loved it, but also didn’t like me to do too much teaching. We love Singapore math. For some kids, this really helps cement their understanding. Why? She has done well though and is a very independant learned. Sounds like a great plan to me! I am going to go with my gut, even if it is a lot of repetition I think that is worth it for a really strong foundation. Singapore and Beast Academy both have very unusual scope and sequences, so I’m not surprised that he might test “behind” in those two programs. I just found your blog and YouTube channel! Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, Orlando, FL. (My Facts That Stick books lay out a progression for this, but RS games generally progress this way, too. My 4th and 5th grader are both very strong at reading and absolutely love word problems but are not at mastery with some basics (multiplication facts, place value, adding and subtracting large numbers). Is it a bad idea to mix curriculum for the same year? If so, it might be time to change math program. We just started TT again and although we did the textbook we didn’t use the computer much for it) I find they can do the work but it didn’t stick and they cannot tell me why they are doing what they’re doing at all. I have five children, three of whom will be in home school next year. This change provides a greater degree of direction for teachers, which allows them to clearly emphasize the key points of each lesson. We are homeschooling for the first time this year. Then, you could begin either VideoText, Foerster’s Algebra 1, or No-Nonsense Algebra as a freshman. Rod and Staff is a solid curriculum, so I’m a little surprised that your son tested so far behind in the placement tests. Even the best curriculum isn’t effective without focused effort and good attitudes from both student and teacher. Do you have any advice for me? I don’t want to have him get behind, but I don’t think he could do a full amount of both daily. We still use the blocks heavily and love them, but my kids were bored with all the worksheets and they like color in their work pages. Just make sure to do the placement test to put your daughter in the right book. Between 1995 and 2015, Singaporean 8th grade students ranked first in the world 4 times in mathematics, and never finished lower than third. What explains this success? Each year builds upon previous learning with the same exercises and directions making it easy for older learners to work independently. I’ve paused RightStart for now, and we are just focusing on math facts and games. This kit contains the manipulatives you'll need for introducing and reinforcing the math concepts taught in the Saxon Mathematics K-3 program. Sounds like your 4th and 5th grader would love Beast Academy! I read this article, the review of RS, and all the comments under each. I REALLY appreciate your tips! I think you are right. Why does Singapore math work so well? Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. He really doesn’t have much independence with it comes to math. I guess we have the UNDERSTANDING that Right Start is so strong at promoting (and which we highly value), but we haven’t actually translated that into the facts being effectively memorized/mastered. There’s a lot that I like about Singapore, but not the HIG! And sometimes, learning some math topics is just plain hard work that requires perseverance and struggle, no matter which curriculum you use. Do you have any advice for me? (And keep the abacus and place-value cards handy–they’re a great add-on to Math Mammoth.). I have used a new one each year for my 10 yr old and feel at a loss. Your child is bored and not challenged enough. Glad you enjoyed the podcast, Sarah! I started my oldest one with Horizon (2nd grade) and while he liked it, it was difficult for me to teach because it basically did not include instructions on how to teach it. Learn how to weigh the pros and cons and make your switch a success. Hmm,I don’t believe a curriculum exists that fits all the criteria you’re looking for. My biggest concern for you would be the amount of time you’d have to spend on direct instruction on math if you teach 3 levels of RightStart. If you’ve liked MFLE, I’d continue on in their series. You’ll learn a lot from your first year of homeschooling, both about yourself as a teacher and your son as a learner. This will allow him to focus his working memory on the new skill that he’s learning without getting bogged down with figuring out the facts. I know, all the different options can feel very overwhelming. But I think he’ll feel a lot better about them in general once he’s more proficient with the facts. My main advice would be use them sparingly, and make sure that he’s working at the right difficulty level when he does number bond problems. That said a somewhat independent program would be best as she is head strong and fights me teaching her. He quickly loses steam if he has a lot of similar practice problems to do, but he’ll work doggedly on problems that challenge him. I’ve used it as a supplemental resource for both child 2 and 3. The review is a bit more spread out than in Singapore, with “warm-up questions” at the beginning of each lesson that provide some review. During the same period, 8th grade students in the United States ranked between 9th and 19th place. Should I continue her with level C or switch to Singapore? My youngest claimed to love math but didn’t have a good foundation from public school, math for her seemed all over the place. More Buying Choices $20.89 (74 used & new offers) I’d say to pick whatever program appeals to you the most and go for it. Both your children could start Level A together, so you’d only have to teach one lesson per day. As I’ve seen him approach different curricula, I’ve learned that he’s a very social learner who likes to figure things out for himself. So far math has honestly been the first subject we will cut in a day if we run out of time because we hate it and I don’t feel like they really understand why they are doing what they are doing (place value has not even been mentioned!) Thanks! She is my hands on kid. Her learning styles are visual and audible and she would happily read all day. So much of the beauty of homeschooling is the freedom to adapt curriculum to best fit your child. She grasps concepts really quickly…super fast!…but it is quite difficult for her to memorize math facts, and her enthusiasm for math is waning…I think mainly because she misses the stories. Some families have success with TT, but I share your concerns about kids flying through it without understanding or retaining the information. First, there was the U.S. edition, an Americanized version of the original Singaporean curriculum.This became the go-to version of Singapore Math for many homeschool families. If you want a minimalist program with simple lessons, use Singapore Essential K. And if you’d like a very cute and colorful (but still mathematically valuable) program, try Singapore’s Early Bird program. Learning is incremental and each new concept is continu-ously reviewed, so the learning has time to “sink The repetition in Saxon didn't really help her understand anything, it just gave her practice in executing algorithms. I understand it is spiral which is different from the mastery style of Rod & Staff. It’s much better to build confidence and understanding by doing some brisk review than to risk frustration by floundering in a book that’s too difficult. I use Beast academy 3a, which he really likes, and also Primary Mathematics 3A. I also bought a copy of your “Addition Facts that Stick” book. A Singapore math classroom is full of colored counters, ten frames, base ten blocks, and other tools to help students understand the meaning behind the symbols we use in mathematics. We have done Singapore, MUS (bored by videos), Christian Light. And no matter which program you use, you may have to brace yourself for some unhappiness from your ten-year-old. Sorry, I’m so all over the place, it’s just soo confusing ???? I have often heard teachers wish that the Singapore curriculum were easier for teachers to use. We did a free trial of BA Online, and she really liked the characters and the visual aspect. After he finished Essentials, I started him on Primary 1A, insisting on taking plenty of time and not rushing through the worksheets. When we did the online placement testing it seems like we would need to start one in 3 and one in 4 they just didn’t do well on the 4/5 tests. She plodded through worksheets, rebelling and in tears all the way because she hated the monotony. Others can complete the entire upper math sequence of Saxon and still need algebra in college. I have a 3rd grader that has tested 99% for math ability, but distraction impacts his learning. This I did because they are both so different. The performance of 4th grade students was similar. Students who were previously anxious about math homework were doing it just as they’d do anything else, and they were quick to solve complicated word problems in their heads. Starting next school year I will have a 3rd, 2nd, and K, and would really like a more open and go curriculum. I want a mix of both Asian inspired math, with easy scripted lessons for me(the teacher) and color worksheets. I know, I’m spinning from all the options! Here you will find practical articles, an online community, courses for you and your children, user-friendly textbooks, and much more. The well-illustrated textbooks and workbooks are engaging, easy to use, and the content has been proven effective on an international level. Don’t be tempted to push your child ahead just to stay at an artificial grade level—if you didn’t have tears with math before, you will now! Singapore math takes a very different approach than the standard textbooks found in most American public schools, and the results are impressive. Thanks Kate! It’s quite likely that your child will place at a different “grade level” than your previous curriculum, since the scope and sequences can be significantly different. Sorry not to have more specific advice for you. Your child just doesn’t seem to click with your math program, and you’re hoping another approach will make more sense to him or her. You are your child’s teacher and you know your child best. Sooo…once she gets those addition facts down, I’m thinking of switching to Beast Academy 2A. For my Preschool Math at Home, it walks you through exactly how to teach each activity (and also helps you understand how each one builds on the previous activity). What to do there depends on what he doesn’t like about them. Were they were mostly in topics that Rod and Staff hasn’t covered yet (for example, graphing or geometry)? Saxon Math has consistently been one of homeschoolers' top choices when it comes to math curriculum. ... We'd been struggling for a year with Saxon's Algebra 1 and wanted to try something new. I am still researching and praying about which curriculum to use this year. They just started grades 6 and 4 now. I am so very thankful to come across you’re blog. Hi Jen! So back to Singapore Math we ran, and there we stayed for awhile. Only 17 left in stock (more on the way). You’re right, part-whole thinking is crucial to the program and understanding the underlying structure of addition and subtraction problems. Are you familiar with it? I am shocked by her mastery of number sense and mental math. (Bear in mind that I was using the first edition, though. my oldest). We always start well and then peter out a few weeks or so in. I’m struggling to decide whether to switch my son from Singapore (Primary Mathematics). By end of 2nd grade he hated math. I do think many children will need more practice than the program includes (especially with the math facts, but also with other computations), so just be prepared to add a little more practice if you find your kids are having trouble. We just think it’s great. If you don’t stop to analyze the problem, there is a danger of using curriculum as a scapegoat any time math isn’t going well. 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