I used them recently to catch a really nice rig.People also use them as bait for stocked salmon in the Twizel canals.I'm sure they'll also work really good on snapper and most other species.Once I'm back in snapper territory I was planning to rig them up on my soft bait jig heads instead of soft baits and see how that'll work. But it has caused an interesting discussion. Black Tigers in a curry are magnificent. Besides, almost half the weight of a prawn is it's head and you just paid close to $30 a kilo for it and most of the head is meat. It is a real effort for me to make sense of your comments...Maybe you could express your concerns to your boss at the "mob" and maybe the "mob" boss could engage me ?? That is a good thing. It is not illegal. All raw eating prawns are checked and tested for white spot.The only known white spot infected area is in QLD and that area is controlled by a Movement Restriction Area (MRA).No prawns can come out of the MRA unless they are cooked.Cooking kills the white spot virus and almost all eating prawns are cooked before being sold.It is illegal to import whole raw prawn and all raw prawn that is legally imported is tested for white spot.The chance of eating prawns spreading white spot is zero. If nothing happens, all it means is the fish were on a different part of the beach on that day.A heavier sinker might not be the answer. LOL - you should be - it turned out into a rather interesting and sometimes hair raising thread. All fishing fly artwork ships within 48 hours and includes a 30-day money-back guarantee. Hello, big fan of cooked prawn on a jig head for bait for bream!Works extremely well . Bream will still take a long shank, it is just better with a short shank like a suicide. !EDIT:Points of reference...Biosecurity Act 2015 Cth as amended 2017 Biosecurity Act 2014 (QLD) as amended 2017Fisheries Act 1994 (QLD) as at current (2018 )Fisheries Regulation 2008 (QLD) as at current (2018 )Fisheries Management Act 1991 Cth. That gives me some pointers.I know the spot has breams because I've caught them on bread, pilchards, and beef. Sorry for the repetition and grammar/spelling mistakes in my posts yesterday. There have been outbreaks As far as WA via frozen bait procured and distributed from northern nsw and qld estuaries.These estuaries were hit with an outbreak but wasn’t discovered before they had been distributed all over the country. Because it is the only known fact.As for imported prawns, the above photo is only one example. I am not a brick wall. They want to sell the prawns and if the flavor or colour are even slightly off they wont sell.Fish are very sensitive. I absolutely loved reading this thread. You thought catching a few with genuine sold/bought bait prawns was expensive, wait until you try catching one fish every five outings (like in overfished popular spots anywhere). Nowhere near as good as the gulp lime tigers though. One of the thousands of great products available instore and online. I have commented quite a few times on the Forum about lure fishing for bream.I can not comment on the chicken breast but without being argumentative, I ask, is the chicken breast bait grade or eating grade? Maybe if the heads are over cooked it might put the fish off. I assume it's not that easy. If the prawn farmers really do have an issue why are they not taking the Minister to task. Ceviche Tostada . Stir in vinegar and chives. Good going. Fried Pacific Oyster [$15.00] | cole slaw, spicy mayo Makes 16 … Did you try moving up and down the beach? Will try your cooked prawn heads trick @itsaboat! SIDE ORDERS. Actually, next time I talk with Mark I will remind him of my suggestion of an "off topic" section. It might be morally corrupt, worth hundreds of millions to the Australian economy every year as one of our few export goods, and have huge environmental impact, but hey, I save $10 a month and it's not ILLEGAL. It's happened. User #360058 139 posts. I'm sure nobody wants to spread any diseases if it can be prevented easily.Perhaps the disease is more likely to spread in warm waters. The ponds where it was discovered were the outer ponds of the farm (the ones closest water inlets off the river). It would be good to see your further input. I would probably use a running sinker down to a smallish swivel onto a size 4/0 or 5/0 suicide hook or a 5/0 circle hook. Swell was forecasted at 1.6m. Or is it just something you heard? I don't see anywhere in that media release that refers to using prawns for bait, but I did only have a quick read.An Act (ie Law) looks like this - https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current/act-1994-037It has Divisions, Parts, Sections etc, etc.If it is illegal to use cooked eating prawns for bait, then it MUST be stated in an Act. the legs already blue-ish. So I'll be heading there next Friday. A woman with a couple of boys. Regardless, I actually age with you. Now gently pull the legs off the head. To be responsibly sourced it must be caught without the use of fish aggregating devices (FADs) that create by-catch; caught on approved fishing boats that can be traced all the way to the cannery and must have independent observers on board to monitor measures specified by the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission. Sounds like a plan. You cannot have it both ways, mate. I tried Z-man's and know a few guys in the kayak fishing community who love them and prefer them over gulp.For some reason I never had the same success rate with them as I had with gulp.Do you have preferred size/colour for your Z-mans? 15/25 Large Farms Prawns $20.30 kg… 5 kg box $ 101.50 Add to cart 20/30 Farms Prawns $18.50 kg… 5 kg box $ 92.50 Add to cart Aussie Med Nth Kings $22.90 kg 5 kg box $ 114.50 Add to cart Banana Raw Cutlets $32.80 5 kg Buy Until those tests have been done and I've seen the results though, and there are no more outbreaks of whatever, then I will reserve my judgement on the use of imported prawns (implicitly sold for human consumption) as bait. So if any Minister was to take head of the lobby groups demanding action, the only option would be to shut down pretty much the entire Australian prawn industry.Joyce has probably done the prawn farmers and catchers a favor by ignoring their "expert" demands...Remember the old adage Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it ! There is no Law stating you cannot used cooked eating prawns for bait.The price of bait prawns is not reflected in the fact that they are "native". Just need to work out what the point is. Thanks for all the replies to this topic. However the canals on the Gold Coast are all sandy bottomed so I use Zman Soft plastics there. Here is a simple solution...Cook the bait prawns !! The simplest explanation always tends to be correct. Anyway I'm still learning how to identify gutters from the waves. Dungeness crab. Yes, I was referring to Ockam's Razor...A scientific principle which states - all things being equal the simplest explanation tends to be correct.Are all things equal?I assume you refer to post #5974 above, in which I stated -. However, it would not be a good idea.The only restriction in place regarding white spot, is a Movement Restriction Area authorised by Law. Ockham's Razor: the simplest explanation is almost always correct.If you accept that infected imported prawns could have slipped through quarantine and recreational fishermen near the affected farms may have used uncooked 'marinated' prawns for bait the it's not hard to imagine how this whole debacle most likely occurred.As I acknowledged previously, there's a difference between knowing something is highly the truth and proving it. So here I've uploaded a photo of what I've got. !What is the truth ? Bait prawns are $8 to $14 for a 200 gram bag. I see you have removed the feelers (antennae) which might make a difference. Watched lots of videos already but still don't seem to know when I'm standing in front of the waves. Unfortunately greed and profit margins corrupt many markets to label prawns origin as Australia when In fact they are from Vietnam for example. After you cook the prawns, it turns orange. I am actually quite proud that I started this huge debate about the white spot disease from watching one ad on YouTube for it. In most parts of the Brisbane river it is a rocky bottom so soft plastics don’t work very well. Take our Own Brand canned Skipjack and Yellowfin tuna for example. The qld gov is trying to prevent these cases, Unfortunately greed and profit margins corrupt many markets to label prawns origin as Australia when In fact they are from Vietnam for example. Hadn't tried the prawn head trick but certainly will now.With regards to white spot the government was repeatedly warned by experts that allowing prawns from Vietnam to be imported would rise the risk of a put break of the disease.The minister responsible didn't listen. I'm guessing it'll catch me a good feed.Sometimes you get them really cheap in supermarkets, when they're close to expiry. When I beach fish I don't make a hike of it. I didn't know cooked prawns works well for beach fishing too, and was planning on going back to wharf / jetty fishing with those cooked prawns I might try the wharf first and then try the beach again another day. He now trades under the name ‘CA Cole International Ltd’. What are you saying, Minister, is the 95% of prawns farmed in Qld a white spot risk? Top each with a shrimp and 1/2 slice bacon. All the frozen bait comes from a few smalll areas in Australia the majority of recreational fishos get their bait from a freezer at a servo. His email is email@example.com Just remember you should never address a Minister by their name. hey itsaboat - what kinda rig do you use when you fish with those prawns? !Or are you seriously asking us to believe that a toilet cleaner (employee) at some un-named bait prawn "mob" knows international "secrets" that are devastating the Australian prawn industry ??? Yes, the meat gets eaten. It's just a happy coincidence for them that this disease has escaped now and that they have largely escaped severe reprimand themselves.If you want to talk about a better conspiracy theory then think about the prime real estate value of affected farms that are holding out on developers on the Logan River. I like using the local fresh and cooked prawns which can be purchased from the co-op, Great Bait !!! 00. Where is the conspiracy plot...Oh, I see now...Vietnam is IMPORTING prawns from VIETNAM in order to HIDE the VIETNAM prawn stocks have "big die offs".If this is all done so "secretly" how do you know about it ?? I would like to see you stick around but it is your choice, Hey Jeff,Don't worry mate. Big john's Power Prawn burley is derived from real Australian prawns which are emulsified in-house ensuring the best quality. In Australia we have significant control measures at farms for this very reason, and yet, once it is out and perpetuated in the environment, the life-cycle through other marine detritivores means it will be almost impossible to stamp out. Prawns in Coles are about $20-25kg. One Piece Fried Fish. The kinetic energy needed to cast a heavy sinker compared to a light sinker, is quite significant. Yeah...yeah...We get the "secret" bit It is an international "secret" conspiracy....India, Vietnam, China et al "secretly" import into VIETNAM !! Guy at Whoolies ( don't say which ), gets paper of about 4.5Kg on the scale instead of the box, because box + prawns is about 5.2 kg. There was a massive breach in quarantine with imported prawns before January 9 this year. I'm with you that intensive farming increases the chance of these diseases massively. Divide coleslaw mixture among 16 plates. I took them but didn't use them because I already bought a pack of pilchards and was hoping to catch Tailors (not even sure if Tailors are still around, but hoped for them nonetheless). Seems to only be an issue in Australia and then only for a small handful of prawn farmers in Queensland. ?....O thinks me is heading NORTH.... As a Forum Moderator, it would be amiss of me not to chip you here. Then instead of spreading false truths they could spread true truths about how good cooked prawns are for bait. We believe you can’t rush quality. Prawns from virus endemic countries are theoretically checked for disease on the way in from overseas but biosecurity are known to be underfunded and understaffed. Regardless, either unwittingly or through arguably wilful ignorance (as evidenced above by the "it's not illegal and I don't give a sh*t" talk above) they will be used for recreational fishing. Was $37.00 $33.00 / … Cook and stir over medium heat 6 minutes or until coleslaw mixture is wilted and just tender. So the solution to this argument is to buy a cast net and catch live prawns for free. 180 cal $2.49. El Bait Shop, Des Moines: See 288 unbiased reviews of El Bait Shop, rated 4.5 of 5 on Tripadvisor and ranked #14 of 559 restaurants in Des Moines. But credit when it is due...What can any Minister do? Fish Filet. You pay double for crap you couldn't even eat yourself. Yes, you can legally fish with uncooked prawns. Oohh..3 fingers at once does not sound like fun.That is an odd quote of Niall Blair. Hi itsaboat!OK, so I've tried salted prawns' heads for bream but it didn't work for me (no bites), but knowing that it works well for you I'm wondering how I'm doing it wrong. This was my first post and I will certainly be hoping to submit more posts in the future. Never the best strategy. I've been using long shank 1/0 down to 4 with mixed results. Welcome to Xtreme Northwest Bait Co. LLC Specialize in Quality Fishing Baits, Bait Cure, Scents, and Attractants- offers the finest cured/uncured salmon roe available and Lamprey Eel . But, really "it's not illegal and I don't give a ****" . ?Don't worry about going "off topic". Then that would have quite an impact on all anglers nation wide.I believe that i have read most if not all relevant Law, and I cannot find any Rule, Regulation nor Act that prohibits the use of "supermarket" purchased prawns (ie eating grade) as bait.You have stated twice that it is illegal to use "supermarket" purchased prawns as bait. Just no luck with my prawns' heads.The fact that the prawns are cooked on the boat probably means they're extremely fresh (or even still swimming and kicking) when cooked, which might preserve the freshness required. Use the ESC key to close, or press the close button. But this is very likely a case of the cat is out of the bag, so I guess that is a bit of a moot point. I hope you are not using drugs or something.$100 + each ??? Sorry about my last message. I can assure you that argument is not my intention, by any meaning.I know it sounds confronting. Other fishermen were there fishing too and no ones seems to be getting bites. Cooked prawns work good on beaches.Some times even just a few meters can put you on or off the fish. Besides, almost half the weight of a prawn is it's head and you just paid close to $30 a kilo for it and most of the head is meat.Now gently pull the legs off the head. Hi Timthebream,Welcome to Fishing Reminder I have been meaning to try a cooked prawn on a jig head. I never buy bait prawns. At Coles, we’re proud to have been recognised as the Best Sustainable Seafood Supermarket in Australia by the Marine Stewardship Council again in 2020. Yeah I have never tried anything like that. Everything else is an assumption.It is not even known if white spot was introduced...No one knows...It is not known if white spot naturally occurs in Australian waters...It is just not known, no one knows.If any Minister was to take action, the only option on the table would be to shut down the prawn farms. I swear by them, especially the green/orange lime tiger jerk shads. Hmm ... thanks for your words of wisdom. Just tide a suiside on. I actually prefer Zman over Gulp as they are a lot stronger and work a lot better in Queensland (based on my experience). I then work just that stretch. Pot pullers do a lot of heavy hauling and they do wear out but with replacement Pot Puller Parts you can keep hauling pots and traps for years without buying a complete unit. I am unsure of the colour but they are the brown speckled ones you were talking about and they are Zman grubs. OK, so it turns out there is no such Law. ‘The importation of prawns are – quite rightly – subject to strict conditions and screening by the Department of Agriculture and we comply with these at all times.’ The Department of Agriculture, Water and the Environment advises recreational fishers they can’t use prawns or any other seafood from a supermarket or fishmonger as bait. Maybe we should ask him to explain. Hootie's Bait and Tackle. coles would be pricey bait, stop at a servo or tackle shop before heading down. Prawn bait is normally a combination of commercial pellets and oils, some fish type cat foods, canned oily fishes (mackerel, sardines, herring), fish carcasses, and herring or anchovies. India, Vietnam, China et al, "secretly" import prawns to Vietnam....Hang on...Vietnam (and India and China et al) "secretly" IMPORT to VIETNAM...Maybe I missed something here...VIETNAM is importing "SECRETLY" to VIETNAM ??? The ebb and flow of discussion is good. 1. Mate, it just shows lack of intellect and lack of maturity. Of course not. She then posted some pics and it turned out she was using a jig head...Oh, I remember I said I was going to give it a try, but I never did...She was catching some really nice fish.Don't worry about waiting for the specials...Do some number crunching, you will find that bait prawns cost 2 to 3 times the price of eating prawns !! That is the major shortfall of farmed aquaculture and particularly prawn aquaculture. $46.15 / 1KG . It is the digestive organ or guts in prawns. Just a standard bream rig. In what Act does it state that ?It is not illegal. Really ? Are the farmers ignoring the fact that the Government the Minister and BICON are not doing their job...OR,,,Is the fact really that the farmers cannot compete with cheaper imports and so have invented a white spot scare campaign ?It does seem strange, doesn't it. Hopefully all who read this take note. looks like he agrees with that A running rig sounds good. My first post and probably the one which will result in most responses. Thanks. Yeah...it is confusing at best I think Cucchiaio is very passionate about the issue. Recently, Christian Cole (Sam’s Baits founder) has bought his brother Sam out of the business. I have no proof to point to so take it as you will. But yours look OK. However the problem with it is that the prawns for humans come from all over the world. 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